ACLU Blogburst
This is a crosspost from StoptheACLU.com.
It happens somewhere in America almost everyday. Some small school, city counsel or County Courthouse gets sued. Perhaps your town has a historical monument to honor the dead from WWII that just so happens to be shaped like a cross. Or maybe your child’s school will be having a winter break instead of Christmas this year. Whatever it is, don’t fool yourself…it could happen to your town. And what will happen when it does? What will happen when the ACLU comes into your backyard? Will your town stand up for its religious liberties, or fold? The ACLU will go full force and has plenty of money to back it up. Does your town have the funds to defend itself? The ACLU has the backing of huge liberal groups, funded to the tee. How does your town stack up?
Don’t think it couldn’t happen to you. Right now, there are those out there watching it happen to them. What can you do? If the ACLU wins, guess who pays for it? Thats right, you do.
I found the following at ReclaimAmerica.Org
U.S. Representative John Hostettler has introduced legislation which seeks to prevent the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) from collecting millions of dollars in court awards when they seek to remove symbols of the Christian faith from society.
The Public Expression of Religion Act of 2005 ( H.R . 2679 ) would prevent secular organizations from collecting attorney fees after suing communities to remove memorial crosses, Ten Commandments displays, or any other vestige of the Christian faith. The legislation reads, “The remedies with respect to a claim under this section where the deprivation consists of a violation of a prohibition in the Constitution against the establishment of religion shall be limited to injunctive relief.”
I found this at
ACLU Generates Revenue in Courtroom Campaign
The ACLU was awarded $156,960 after a judge overturned an amendment to the Nebraska Constitution defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The amendment was approved by 70 percent of Nebraska voters.
The ACLU was given $790,000 after suing to nullify a lease between the city of San Diego and the Boy Scouts of America. A federal judge sided with the ACLU, ruling that the Boy Scouts are a religious organization because they require kids to pledge an oath to God and promise to live a “morally straight”
$150,000 = Barrow County (Ga.)
The ACLU was awarded $150,000 after suing to remove a display of the Ten Commandments from the Barrow County Courthouse.
$615,500 = Florida Supreme Court
The Florida Supreme Court established the Florida Bar Foundation and then commissioned the foundation to provide $615,500 to the ACLU of Florida between the years of 1990 and 1997.
The ACLU was awarded $121,500 after suing to remove a monument outside of the Kentucky Capitol building.
The ACLU was awarded a whopping $277,000 after suing to overturn a state law against abortion in 1994.
In 2001, the ACLU was awarded more than $299,500 after suing to overturn abortion regulations in Kentucky.
A Tennessee County was forced to pay the ACLU $50,000 after losing a legal battle to preserve a display of the Ten Commandments.
$37,037 = Loudoun County (Va.)
The ACLU was awarded $37,037 after winning a lawsuit to prevent a Loudoun County (Va.) from installing pornography filters on public library computers.
Following the lawsuit, involving former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of the Alabama Supreme Court building, state taxpayers were forced to pay nearly $550,000 in attorney fees and court costs. Of that, $175,000 went to the ACLU.
Taxpayers were forced to give the ACLU a whopping $63,000 after their lawsuit to remove a World War One Memorial Cross from the Mojave National Preserve.
$74,462 = Habersham County (Ga.)
The ACLU received $74,462 from Georgia taxpayers after suing to remove a Ten Commandments display from the Habersham County (Ga.) Courthouse.
$25,000 = Pulaski County (Ark.)
The ACLU was awarded $25,000 after suing an Arkansas county for telling the child’s parents that the 14-year-old boy was living an openly gay lifestyle in school.
The ACLU is scheduled to receive $135,000 from Cobb County taxpayers, after suing the county to remove warning stickers from the district biology books. The stickers simply read, “Evolution is a theory, not a fact.”
The city of Pasco, Washington was forced to pay the ACLU $75,000 after they lost a lawsuit to remove the painting of a naked woman from the Pasco City Hall.
Residents in Seattle, Washington, were ordered to pay $52,000 to the ACLU — for defending a student’s “right” to mock the assistant principal in a sexual online parodies … sodomizing Homer Simpson and appearing in Viagra commercials.
$6,000,000 = American taxpayers
The ACLU, along with other pro-abortion organizations, have shared in court awards estimated to be worth roughly six million dollars following the Supreme Court’s decision in which they declared the Nebraska partial birth abortion ban unconstitutional. Reportedly, these lawsuits affected thirty states.
After suing London, Ohio, for allowing their football coach to host a voluntary prayer for athletes, the ACLU was awarded $18,000 in attorney fees.
$110,000 = Multnomah County (Oregon)
Incredibly, Multnomah County taxpayers were asked to pay a whopping $110,000 after the ACLU sued them for allowing the Boy Scouts of America to recruit on public school campuses.
Operation Rescue was ordered to pay the ACLU $111,000 after losing a lawsuit in which the ACLU sought to prevent the organization from picketing near abortion clinics.
$230,000″>San Diego (California)
San Diego residents were forced to pay $230,000 in legal costs in an effort to defend the Mount Soledad Cross (a memorial to the Korean War) from an ACLU lawsuit. The Korean War Memorial had been established in 1952.
Don’t let it happen to your town, or if it is going to happen…don’t pay for it. Reclaiming America has put together a petition that already has over 100,000 signatures. We also have a petition asking for the same thing, to stop taxpayer funding of the ACLU in Establishment Clause cases. You can sign both petitions here. Help us curb the secularization of America.
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October 13th, 2005 17:33
Thank you!
October 13th, 2005 17:44
This just makes me angry… why are my tax dollars being used to fund a group that is a political juggernaut for the left?
October 14th, 2005 10:11
My tax dollars fund all sorts or faith-based organizations, corporate welfare and even wars I don’t agree with.
Just the way it is.
October 14th, 2005 12:40
What faith-based organizations do tax dollars support?
Just the way it is…that’s a depressing motto. Change is difficult in this bureaucrat laden democracy, but it is possible.
October 14th, 2005 14:48
You will understand if I am dead tired of doing your research for you after just having to prove you wrong by showing you what Rush actually said about Miers after you had insulted me in a few diffrent and patronizing ways for no reason - ask John if you are unaware of faith-based organizations that get money from the government.
The kinds of problems that Matt, Bret and I have with this government are most likely not ones you empathize with if you are even aware of and/or undstand them. They are not going to change without some major shakeups to the current power structures which won’t happen.
Just the way it is.
October 14th, 2005 15:30
Quit being such a child, it was a simple question.
October 14th, 2005 15:39
You definitively state that there are faith-based organizations funded by your tax dollars. Why do you have to research something you seem to know for a fact? Just name them.
October 14th, 2005 16:34
I don’t have to do any more research on this just as I didn’t on what I heard Rush say or when we were talking about Bush’s coporate welfare programs - and the “lack” of coverage by the Sierra Club.
You should have known all these things with as much as you whine and insult anyone with a diffrent view. I am done holding your hand. If your reaction to opposing views changes from direct insults to civil objection I may start helping with this kind of stuff again.
For now, ask John if you are unaware of faith-based organizations that get money from the government…or simply call in during a Rush show and ask. Or do one of any number of things to learn things on your own.
October 14th, 2005 17:44
Hahaha, you don’t know. You’re making a claim you can’t back up. As you love to say to me…put up or shut up.
You have got to be kidding. You might just be the biggest hypocrite living today. I’m also starting to think you’re a pathological liar. One couldn’t ask for a better troll. Thank you Adam.
October 14th, 2005 18:04
Anyone who wants to laugh like crazy go here:
www.killrighty.net/2005/10/13/the-harriet-letterswho-cares/#comments
All anyone needs to know about Josh’s intelligence and character can be found there.
Josh, there has never been one time when I was not able to back up anything I said on here - this is the first time I am forcing you to do some research on your own.
Find me an example where I was not able to back up what I claimed and I will once again educate you on this and give you what you ask for. If you can’t show an example of what you are claiming you will have to actually learn on your own this time.
For anyone who wants an example of Josh not being able to back up what he claimed while I, as usual, WAS able to back up my position and embarrass Josh at the same time go to that link I provided and enjoy. After all, Josh listened to Rush everyday this week in full and has amazing listening skills! Right Josh…
October 14th, 2005 18:09
Uh, just off the top of my head….WTC bombing. Ring a bell?
October 14th, 2005 19:23
That wasn’t a claim of mine, that was a question I got wrong by thinking that was McVie. Claims are things like this that I put forth and you challenged me on…and lost:
“Rush is against the Miers nomination”.
“Bush has given billions in tax money as corporate welfare to energy companies”.
“The overwhelming majority of the country agrees that the right thing was done in the Terri Schiavo case and that the government had no buisness to step in”.
John asked if we had ever been attack by foreign terrorists and I made a mistake and said “no”. I also didn’t call John “irrational” or mock his listening and reading comprehension skills and/or also call him an extremist before saying no. That was a mistake on a question he asked me, not a claim I made.
Play the game correctly or do your own homework.
October 14th, 2005 19:57
Hahahahaha, no.
Hmmm, looks like a “claim” to me. John really tried to go easy on you there too. He gave you multiple chances to take that back. But your arrogance won over reason, of course. Once again you are trying to squirm away by getting into a ridiculous argument about semantics.
You’re such a liar, I knew you wouldn’t accept ANYTHING I put forth. Play the game correctly? Give me a break.
Those three examples you put forth are silly. You didn’t pay enough attention on the Rush thing. I never said he was for her nomination. I asked you about the tax money because I was curious, there was no challenge. We disagree on Schiavo, you’re just dead wrong about some “overwhelming majority.” It must be part of your mental disorder the way you exaggerate everything. Really man, go see a shrink. I’m dying to hear what you have.
October 14th, 2005 20:57
Oh yes, that is clearly not an anwser to John’s question in post #31…
” We disagree on Schiavo, you’re just dead wrong about some “overwhelming majority.””
Yes of course, ALL the polls including the one from Fox News claim I am 100% right…but they are all wrong. Yea I know man.
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As much fun as this is, everyone really should check out this link and read it all - it is entertainment you just can’t find elsewhere:
www.killrighty.net/2005/10/13/the-harriet-letterswho-cares/#comments
Reading that link will anwser all questions
Josh, I am not doing your work for you anymore. You can’t provide one claim that I was wrong on just a mistake anwser I gave to John’s question. You should be careful about calling me a liar about this new topic before you have looked into it. I know that you are clearly not concerned with looking stupid, but still man.
October 14th, 2005 21:55
Hahahahahaha, ok. So an “answer” can’t be a “claim”….got it. You should really explain your ridiculous rules before getting started in something like this. Again, just another stupid semantical argument you can never possibly lose.
October 14th, 2005 23:41
From the stuff with Rush I understand you are not the quickest. I made the claim that the givernment funds some faith based organizations. When asked by John if we had ever been attack by foreign terrorists I said “no”. These are not the same things.
I did not ask you to show a time I have been wrong, I asked you to show a time when I have made a claim (search for the relevance to the current claim of mine you want me to prove to you now…) such as/ or in the relevant vien of the current topic. Are you capable of seeing the diffrence?
You implied I am making this current claim up, so can you see the logical relevance to asking you to show a somewhat similar example of where I have not been able to back up a claim I made?
I guarantee you I have been “wrong” before and will again, but being wrong is not applicable here-everyone has been and will be wrong again. There is not a person alive who knows me or not that would have assumed or believed I have never been wrong about anything.
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Before you make a real (edited, put that on the list of unacceptable words) of yourself here as you have over in the Rush conversation, you really should just ask John and Damon to make sure they are also unaware of these organizations before you continue down this road. If you ask them if the government gives any money to faith-based organizations and they respond “course they do” what will you do then?
October 15th, 2005 00:29
Wow, all this from a very simple question. All I did was ask what faith-based organizations, because I DON’T KNOW! This isn’t a challenge, you’re making this into such a big deal. Just forget about it.
On the “claims” “answers” bolognia, you make your own rules. Whatever…
October 15th, 2005 02:10
One post, that’s all I’m adding to this one since it’s all semantics anyway:
Couldn’t resist, since you brought it up. That one was too funny.
October 15th, 2005 02:15
I get the feeling, adam, that you are against faith-based organizations simply because you have a knee-jerk reaction to the idea of “faith”. Using those organizations makes sense on a practical level as far as distributing government aid. Why not use organizations that already make a practice of caring about the poor as conduits to distribute aid to them? Are you afraid someone might get preached to? What harm does that do?
After hurricane Katrina, hundreds of churches opened their doors to house christians and non-christians alike. Where’s the outrage? In a practical sense, faith-based organizations are well-suited to help channel government aid to the poverty stricken.
October 15th, 2005 09:38
Told you Josh, all you had to do was ask them
…so was I lying Josh?
You guys arw strange - I have proven you wrong so many times for each of you and this is the best you have and so keep repeating it. Yes, I thought it was McVie at the time and was too buisy to look into it then. I like your editiorial in there - zing! With that in there, I can picture myself yelling it of a mountain as a mandate for all!!!
John if it is ok for you to be against an organization that spends most of its time at secular causes removing faith based crap, it is also ok for me not wanting my tax dollars going to faith based organizations. I didn’t say they should go to the ACLU but not faith based organization either. I also didn’t attack you or attack faith-based stuff at all.
“Faith” is based on fairy tales. I don’t want me money going to groups of “vampires” or alien worshipers either. Faith means it doesn’t exist and thus you must have faith. Is that “knee-jerk” enough for you(you new phrase)? Also, that money seems to only go to one “faith” and this country is not supposed to endorse one religion over another.
October 15th, 2005 10:14
I could not have been more clear on this. All I did was ask what faith-based organizations are supported by tax dollars. Where did I insinuate in the slightest that you were lying?
If all you were talking about is giving money or food stamps or whatever to churchs that then disburse it to the poor, I don’t see that as supporting them. Those things don’t go to pay church employees, like John said, they’re merely a conduit. Do you object to government support of homeless shelters(for the same reasons)?
There is a HUGE difference between that and the ACLU. If the money went to training and supporting evangelists, that would be comparable. As it is now, the two could not be more different.
You’re obviously expressing this as a regret, as you immediately rectified your mistake.
Also, comparing faith in God to vampires and your other fantasy interests is asinine. Vampires are purely a creation of human imagination. Faith in God comes from the world around us, our personal relationship with him, and the Bible.
Thats from Evidence that demands a verdict, by Josh Mcdowell
If you want to have a real debate on the existence of God, read that book. Otherwise it would take too long to educate you, when the book will do a better job in the first place.
October 15th, 2005 10:55
“Where did I insinuate in the slightest that you were lying?” -Josh
“Hahaha, you don’t know. You’re making a claim you can’t back up.” -Josh
The government does more than give “conduit” money to faith based organizations. I really don’t care much about this topic and there was no reason for it to drag on like this when you could have asked your friends from the beginning.
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“There is a HUGE difference between that and the ACLU. If the money went to training and supporting evangelists, that would be comparable. As it is now, the two could not be more different.”
See thats not entirely true because tons of diffrent courts are agreeing with the ACLU that this stuff is unconstitutional. If thats the case, then it is not diffrent at all.
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Back to God stuff:
“comparing faith in God to vampires and your other fantasy interests is asinine. Vampires are purely a creation of human imagination. Faith in God comes from the world around us, our personal relationship with him, and the Bible.” -Josh
“God” is from the human imagination just as much and any of that other crap. There are plenty of books on all sorts of fantasy that some people believe in. Yours is no more valid than theirs. All books are written by humans and only humans. Unless you have some proof or evidence to the contrary…
All the authors of your precsious bible that wrote about the most important part (Jesus) did so over a hundred years after his death. Try writting an account of what english class was like as a freshman in highschool…let alone writing about it from what someone heard from someone else who supposedly saw it. Just crap.
“If you want to have a real debate on the existence of God, read that book. Otherwise it would take too long to educate you, when the book will do a better job in the first place.” -Josh
Oh I have had enough of your “education” on the simplist things of what Rush has said to what I actually said about Tom Delay. I am sure though that now you are right about the secrets of the universe…secrets that can’t be proven but must be BELIEVED. Good show though as always: I can’t argue it, but here is someone who can. I got it.
October 15th, 2005 11:01
I can argue it, my point was that the book would do a better job.
You completely ignored the evidence on the uniqueness of the Bible, because it’s irrefutable.
Adam, someday you will believe in God. Just like everyone else.
October 15th, 2005 11:13
Strait from wikipedia Josh:
“many believe that the Biblical texts commonly used as rough guides to the life of the historical Jesus may not have a high level of historical accuracy, due to their not being direct firsthand accounts written during or soon after the life of Jesus.”
“Most modern scholars hold that the works describing Jesus were initially communicated by oral tradition, and were not committed to writing until SEVERAL DECADES AFTER JESUS’CRUCIFIXION. The earliest extant texts which refer to Jesus are Paul’s letters, which are usually dated from the mid-1st century. Paul saw Jesus only in visions, but he claimed that they were divine revelations and hence authoritative (1 Galatians 11-12)”
So in order to buy this crap I need to believe Jesus was a god who preformed miracles. So lets walk through it: 2000 years ago when people were scared of the sun, some members of a cult at the time write some stories about a guy that died anywhere from 100 (at the very very earliest) to several hundred years ago. None of the people who wrote any of it saw anything.
Ironically enough, this guy is very similar to the claims of all the other cults of the time who also have “Messiahs” that do miracles. They are all wrong of course and their “gods” can’t perform miracles but yours can.
Its so clear to me, so all I have to do is “believe” and this crap becomes logical, sane and/or real?
Go sell crazy somewhere else, we are all stocked up here.
October 15th, 2005 11:16
“You completely ignored the evidence on the uniqueness of the Bible, because it’s irrefutable.” -Josh
Yea right! About as unique as EVERY religious text of EVERY other religion not to mention almost every work of mythology ever written. Oh yea, that one is as original as it gets!
“Adam, someday you will believe in God. Just like everyone else” -Josh
HAHAHAHAAHHAHA yea right, as soon as the Iraqi people prove me wrong and turn Iraq into a modern, stable illiberal democracy thats next on my list!
October 15th, 2005 12:04
You’re just wrong. Even an atheist should be able to admit the Bible is unique, it’s fact. You are speaking from a position of ignorance, you should really read the book.
October 15th, 2005 12:20
Here’s a fun little montage of a previous argument on this post.
Seems simple enough.
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How did we get from things you “said” to only “claims” being acceptable. Besides, your answer is a claim.
Claim: To state to be true, especially when open to question; assert or maintain.
This is yet another ridiculous example of you being dead wrong, and trying to use semantics to squirm out. But even by your own silly rules, you proved yourself wrong. Hilarious. This “game” you refer to, does it have any relation to Calvinball?
October 15th, 2005 12:24
I have read it twice - as you know I was christian until I was arounf 16. Its about as unique as EVERY religious text of EVERY other religion not to mention almost every work of mythology ever written. Oh yea, that one is as original as it gets!
I bet you havn’t read anyother religious texts have you? Have you even studied mythology? So how would you even know? They are all flawed and full of contradictions and things that can’t begin to be proven. They are all crap.
October 15th, 2005 12:26
I know you need to believe that the the bible is unique as it gets hard to swallow this crap otherwise, but what are you claiming makes it unique in any way?
Seriously, what on earth makes this unique at all?
October 15th, 2005 13:03
The points I listed earlier are from a chapter in evidence that demands a verdict, that’s what I meant when I said read the book. Those points alone set it apart from any other religious text.
October 15th, 2005 13:16
The Bible is unique.
1. Written over a 1400 year span.
2. Written over 60 generations.
3. Written by 40 plus authors from every walk of life including kings, peasants, philosophers, fisherman, poets, statesmen, scholars, etc.
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Biblical authors spoke on hundreds of controversial subjects with harmony and continuity from Genesis to Revelation. There is one unfolding sotry: “God’s redemptioon of man.”
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So you think the fact that other religious texts are not exactly the same in these contexts (others have more and others have less in each of these points) that the bible is somehow unique?
If another religious text was written over 80 generations with 15 plus authors, you think the bible is unique? What about written over a 1200 year span by 200 authors? ITS THE CONTENT THAT IS NOT UNIQUE IN ANY WAY - and it is the content of these religious texts that is important.
The rest is certainly not unique either, but you are right that every religious text does not have 100% the same “everything” thus allowing you to claim the bible is “unique”.
So what you are really saying is that the bible is “more unique” than other religious texts even though you don’t actually know how the info you provided compares with other religious texts.
Let me explain something to you Josh, if you have tons of books that all have 90% similarities with each other they are not unique. Technically, if they are written by diffrent people they can be called unique in that one reguard but as a whole they are very much not.
But hey, whatever you need to tell yourself to buy this crap man.
From the dictionary:
Unique:
1) Unusual; extraordinary: For many grammarians, unique is the paradigmatic absolute term, a shibboleth that distinguishes between those who understand that such a term cannot be modified by an adverb of degree or a comparative adverb and those who do not. These grammarians would say that a thing is either unique or not unique and that it is therefore incorrect to say that something is very unique or more unique than something else.
The bible is about as unique as my ass.
October 15th, 2005 13:42
The content is unique, the writing of it is unique. You are so biased on this, you can’t possibly approach this objectively. Just read the book. Also, did you miss comment 27?
October 15th, 2005 14:21
Yes I read #27, did you read any of this:
“I did not ask you to show a time I have been wrong, I asked you to show a time when I have made a claim (search for the relevance to the current claim of mine you want me to prove to you now…) such as/ or in the relevant vien of the current topic. Are you capable of seeing the diffrence?
You implied I am making this current claim up, so can you see the logical relevance to asking you to show a somewhat similar example of where I have not been able to back up a claim I made?
I guarantee you I have been “wrong” before and will again, but being wrong is not applicable here-everyone has been and will be wrong again. There is not a person alive who knows me or not that would have assumed or believed I have never been wrong about anything.”
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The content unique! A god, miracles, morales and opinions on how people should live and none of any of them have any evidence to back them up!
Here you want to point me to read the writings of others, I will do the same on people commenting specifically on this very argument - the bible IS NOT UNIQUE:
www.2think.org/hundredsheep/bible/unique.shtml
www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/unique.html
www.infidels.org/library/modern/jim_meritt/bible-contradictions.html
www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/flaws.html
I bet you never cared you look at the other opinion on this. The bible is not unique. Lame.
October 15th, 2005 15:32
Some funny exerpts from a descusssion on reading the bible:
“Although an atheist for quite some time now I have been reading the bible. In the past some believers have told me that if I read the bible, my beliefs would change. So I started reading the bible, and I am now up to 2 Samuel (tenth book of the bible). Have my beliefs changed? Yes they have - I am now more of an atheist than I was before I started reading the bible. The bible is such an absurd book and its filled with violence and incest. I dont know how anyone can possibly read the bible and still think its the word of god afterwards.”
“Some examples of absurdities in the bible included David bringing someone 200 foreskins just so he can have some women as his wives. There is also this other guy named Samson who kills 4000 people and 300 foxes….yes, foxes. There was this one part where Moses and the Israelites are traveling and come upon a guy gathering sticks on the Sabbath, so they kill him. God also instructs the Israelites to eat their own children:
Leviticus 26:29
You will eat the flesh of your sons, and you will eat the flesh of your daughters.”
“Once Noah gets off the ark, the next several books comprise what to me are an entirely pedestrian account of tribal affairs, no better or worse then any other. There’s also a huge pile of completely useless laws about loincloth wearing and animal sacrifce and how many cubits to make the temple.”
“Oh, and I myslef am quite partial to the book of Jonah, if only because God feels it relevant to mention that Ninevah has “many cattle” when explaining why he can’t in good concience destroy it.”
Some great stuff! Very funny stuff - that crazy god! I myself was a christian when I started reading the bible the first time (cover to cover) and was an atheist well before the time I finished.
Any way, this was just for fun, please comment further on how unique the bible is after reading some opposition to your “evidence that demands a verdict”. And don’t do the “bias” talk, you are defending your beliefs here not me.
October 22nd, 2005 15:31
There is no question that the government gives grants to FBOs for services they provide: www.whitehouse.gov/government/fbci/guidance/ . I certainly dont have any problem with this - homeless kitchens are just as likely to be run by churches as anyone else. They can indeed pay their employees’ salaries, but they cannot buy religious materials. The details, unfortunately, are much stickier, and in the end, compliance is up to the integrity of the organization.
The big controversy is whether it is appropriate for the government to give money to organizations with discriminatory hiring practices (you must sign a contract of your faith to work for some groups, like WorldVision). This is the hinge that has been the ostensible grounds for opposition.
AN anecdote on FBOs that I think hilarious: Last spring/summer my girlfriend worked for Christian Childrens’ Fund (www.christianchildrensfund.org) - a sponsor-a-child outfit. ANyway, I always joked that it was only to help ‘christian children’ (like the adjective ‘christian’ was describing the children rather than the fund). Imagine some wealthy white southern baptist in ethiopia dangling a piece of white bread in front of some distended-bellied fly-covered child and saying, as if to a baby, “who’s your lord and savior? whos your lord and savior?”
anyway, you should give money to CCF and to WorldVision because they do good work.
October 29th, 2005 10:49
If anyone really wants to read a universally credible essay on the topic of religion vs science and the like, they should check out:
Religion and Science
by Bertrand Russell
Just some background before you scoff without knowing anything about this guy, it is well documented that Einstein said many times that Bertrand Russell was the smartest guy he had ever met and that he thought Russell was smarter than he was. Bertrand Russell is also a Nobel Prize winning arthur.