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	<title>Comments on: No proof Rove leaked anything in 1992</title>
	<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/</link>
	<description>because capitalism, guns, morals, personal responsibility, tax cuts, courage, the constitution, christian tradition, and the ten commandments don't belong in this country</description>
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		<title>by: Adam, King of the Liberal Horde,</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3499</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 19:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3499</guid>
					<description>About as helpful as:

"Seriously, are you having the autorantic moonbat write your comments?"
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About as helpful as:</p>
<p>&#8220;Seriously, are you having the autorantic moonbat write your comments?&#8221;<br />
:)
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		<title>by: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3498</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3498</guid>
					<description>Wow, that is helpful, thanks.</description>
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		<title>by: Adam, King of the Liberal Horde,</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3497</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 18:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3497</guid>
					<description>Here Josh, to save you the trouble of writing your next post:

“John, don’t waste time talking to Adam. He is crazy and a moonbat and an american hating, troop spitting liberal talking poopy head and I heard he might be gay.
He ignors my mountains of evidence and hard facts that exonerate Rove and everything else I believe. He also claims red is actually green. Oh and he hates our Jesus and wants to take our bibles.”

That should cover your need of ever posting again as there is just as much evidence and proof of "whatever" in that comment as any of yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here Josh, to save you the trouble of writing your next post:</p>
<p>“John, don’t waste time talking to Adam. He is crazy and a moonbat and an american hating, troop spitting liberal talking poopy head and I heard he might be gay.<br />
He ignors my mountains of evidence and hard facts that exonerate Rove and everything else I believe. He also claims red is actually green. Oh and he hates our Jesus and wants to take our bibles.”</p>
<p>That should cover your need of ever posting again as there is just as much evidence and proof of &#8220;whatever&#8221; in that comment as any of yours.
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		<title>by: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3496</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 17:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3496</guid>
					<description>Seriously, are you having the autorantic moonbat write your comments?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, are you having the autorantic moonbat write your comments?
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		<title>by: Adam, King of the Liberal Horde,</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3495</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3495</guid>
					<description>BTW-how long ago was the Vietnam war?  The one you claim is evidence that "liberals" do more "hating" than conservatives.  
More hating of dying needlessly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW-how long ago was the Vietnam war?  The one you claim is evidence that &#8220;liberals&#8221; do more &#8220;hating&#8221; than conservatives.<br />
More hating of dying needlessly.
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		<title>by: Adam, King of the Liberal Horde,</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3494</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3494</guid>
					<description>You may not listen to Rush, but I am sure you listen to someone feeding from the same trough.  
You are wrong again, there is no need to filibuster anyone ever if they don't have the votes to win.  It is only used by the minority.  Typical though for you to try and find some loophole that would justify these slanted beliefs.  

Der, Republicans have filibustered before, but only on candidates that were already certain to lose anyway.  Give me a break.
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The vietam war was a BAD war man.  You need to understand this.  Nixon was a liar.  The war was almost unwinnable (you will see a repeat in Iraq) as history has shown that it is almost impossible for an outside nation to do regime change and set up the government they want.
The people were right as hell to hate their lying government that was causing thousands of deaths a week for a sh*t war.  
I shouldn't be surprised that this is how you convince yourself of crap like "liberals do a lot more hating than conservatives do".  That is such nieve, moronic crap-people like Rush and Rove play you guys like a fiddle, this is exactly what they want you to think: vast, all-encompasing negative generalizations about liberals only.  That is how Rove wins things.  
You guys fit so perfect into this new hate politicis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may not listen to Rush, but I am sure you listen to someone feeding from the same trough.<br />
You are wrong again, there is no need to filibuster anyone ever if they don&#8217;t have the votes to win.  It is only used by the minority.  Typical though for you to try and find some loophole that would justify these slanted beliefs.  </p>
<p>Der, Republicans have filibustered before, but only on candidates that were already certain to lose anyway.  Give me a break.<br />
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The vietam war was a BAD war man.  You need to understand this.  Nixon was a liar.  The war was almost unwinnable (you will see a repeat in Iraq) as history has shown that it is almost impossible for an outside nation to do regime change and set up the government they want.<br />
The people were right as hell to hate their lying government that was causing thousands of deaths a week for a sh*t war.<br />
I shouldn&#8217;t be surprised that this is how you convince yourself of crap like &#8220;liberals do a lot more hating than conservatives do&#8221;.  That is such nieve, moronic crap-people like Rush and Rove play you guys like a fiddle, this is exactly what they want you to think: vast, all-encompasing negative generalizations about liberals only.  That is how Rove wins things.<br />
You guys fit so perfect into this new hate politicis.
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		<title>by: John</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3493</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2005 06:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3493</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Judicial nominees have been filibustered before John. Whats the point of talking here if things are going to be clearly distorted? John McCain even said flat out on Meet the Press that it had been done before and by Republicans.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Neither party has ever before defeated a judicial nominee with clear majority support with a filibuster.  It's never happened.  Especially not TEN judges, excusing the blockade by saying "they were out of the mainstream".  Unprecedented.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Politics has always been dirty but not like this. The country has never been this divided and the crap Josh and you say about “liberals” has never been like this until Newt, Rush and Rove came along. There has never been this kind of “we are right and you are the enemy” hate politics on such a widespread stage.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I suppose you don't remember reading about the Vietnam War.  I'm sorry, but liberals do a lot more hating than conservatives do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Judicial nominees have been filibustered before John. Whats the point of talking here if things are going to be clearly distorted? John McCain even said flat out on Meet the Press that it had been done before and by Republicans.</p></blockquote>
<p>Neither party has ever before defeated a judicial nominee with clear majority support with a filibuster.  It&#8217;s never happened.  Especially not TEN judges, excusing the blockade by saying &#8220;they were out of the mainstream&#8221;.  Unprecedented.</p>
<blockquote><p>Politics has always been dirty but not like this. The country has never been this divided and the crap Josh and you say about “liberals” has never been like this until Newt, Rush and Rove came along. There has never been this kind of “we are right and you are the enemy” hate politics on such a widespread stage.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose you don&#8217;t remember reading about the Vietnam War.  I&#8217;m sorry, but liberals do a lot more hating than conservatives do.
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		<title>by: Adam, King of the Liberal Horde,</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3492</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3492</guid>
					<description>Judicial nominees have been filibustered before John.  Whats the point of talking here if things are going to be clearly distorted?  John McCain even said flat out on Meet the Press that it had been done before and by Republicans.  There are many diffrent ways of stopping nominees and they change tactilly based on who controls what. The republicans have done various things aside from filibustering to get the same effect over and over.

Politics has always been dirty but not like this.  The country has never been this divided and the crap Josh and you say about "liberals" has never been like this until Newt, Rush and Rove came along.  There has never been this kind of "we are right and you are the enemy" hate politics on such a widespread stage.
You guys often come off like you are new to politcs and havn't read much on how things were though out history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judicial nominees have been filibustered before John.  Whats the point of talking here if things are going to be clearly distorted?  John McCain even said flat out on Meet the Press that it had been done before and by Republicans.  There are many diffrent ways of stopping nominees and they change tactilly based on who controls what. The republicans have done various things aside from filibustering to get the same effect over and over.</p>
<p>Politics has always been dirty but not like this.  The country has never been this divided and the crap Josh and you say about &#8220;liberals&#8221; has never been like this until Newt, Rush and Rove came along.  There has never been this kind of &#8220;we are right and you are the enemy&#8221; hate politics on such a widespread stage.<br />
You guys often come off like you are new to politcs and havn&#8217;t read much on how things were though out history.
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		<title>by: John</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3491</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3491</guid>
					<description>What makes you think that modern politics is any different from old politics?  Politics has always been "your team" and "my team", vast overgeneralizations, and dirty dealings.  That is the name of the game, it always has been and always will be.  Think about this concept:  

For either Republicans or Democrats to retain any influence in American politics, they must play by whatever rules the other side makes.  For instance, the recent Democratic policy of filibustering judicial nominations is new... that has never ever been done before.  When the balance of power shifts, republicans will have no choice but to use the same tactics the Dems used to gain power and vice versa.  If one side gains an advantage through a new tactic, it's almost assured that the other side will invent something else to use against them at some point, like the "nuclear option".  It has to happen to maintain the balance.   If one party stands back and says "We aren't going to play this game", they will get steamrolled.  Both sides like to claim the moral high ground, and say "Your side plays dirty", but its only a ruse to gain more power by getting the other side to back off.  Politics is just dirty, end of story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes you think that modern politics is any different from old politics?  Politics has always been &#8220;your team&#8221; and &#8220;my team&#8221;, vast overgeneralizations, and dirty dealings.  That is the name of the game, it always has been and always will be.  Think about this concept:  </p>
<p>For either Republicans or Democrats to retain any influence in American politics, they must play by whatever rules the other side makes.  For instance, the recent Democratic policy of filibustering judicial nominations is new&#8230; that has never ever been done before.  When the balance of power shifts, republicans will have no choice but to use the same tactics the Dems used to gain power and vice versa.  If one side gains an advantage through a new tactic, it&#8217;s almost assured that the other side will invent something else to use against them at some point, like the &#8220;nuclear option&#8221;.  It has to happen to maintain the balance.   If one party stands back and says &#8220;We aren&#8217;t going to play this game&#8221;, they will get steamrolled.  Both sides like to claim the moral high ground, and say &#8220;Your side plays dirty&#8221;, but its only a ruse to gain more power by getting the other side to back off.  Politics is just dirty, end of story.
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		<title>by: Adam, King of the Liberal Horde,</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3490</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3490</guid>
					<description>Apparently so.  
Rove will be innocent until proven guilty. The evidence from the other people involved looks real bad for Rove and makes him look very guitly.  This combined with him being fired for the exact same thing once before make him look even more guilty.  Reguardless of what happens, he is almost for sure guilty of doing it intentially as retaliation.

The "leftist" sites on Rush.  Josh, when someone is proved to have lied over and over again, it doesn't matter who points it out.  There is clear, unarguable evidence and a crap load of it.  You are beyond being able to ever believe your sweet Rush is a partisan propiganda hack.

Rove is the clearest specific example of what Matt, Bret and I hate about modern politics.  Divide and Conquor, "your" team and "my" team, ends justify any dirty means, we are always right and you are just crazy, vast negative broad overgeneralizations, ect, ect.  Sh*t like this we have preached about over and over again.  
Rove is greatly responsible for this new attitude toward politics and is responsible for creating people like you.  
The kind of brain washing that can get old friends to call each other "american haters" and accuse them of "spitting on the troops" and other such moronic nonsense you seem to be about now. Enjoy being on the other "team".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently so.<br />
Rove will be innocent until proven guilty. The evidence from the other people involved looks real bad for Rove and makes him look very guitly.  This combined with him being fired for the exact same thing once before make him look even more guilty.  Reguardless of what happens, he is almost for sure guilty of doing it intentially as retaliation.</p>
<p>The &#8220;leftist&#8221; sites on Rush.  Josh, when someone is proved to have lied over and over again, it doesn&#8217;t matter who points it out.  There is clear, unarguable evidence and a crap load of it.  You are beyond being able to ever believe your sweet Rush is a partisan propiganda hack.</p>
<p>Rove is the clearest specific example of what Matt, Bret and I hate about modern politics.  Divide and Conquor, &#8220;your&#8221; team and &#8220;my&#8221; team, ends justify any dirty means, we are always right and you are just crazy, vast negative broad overgeneralizations, ect, ect.  Sh*t like this we have preached about over and over again.<br />
Rove is greatly responsible for this new attitude toward politics and is responsible for creating people like you.<br />
The kind of brain washing that can get old friends to call each other &#8220;american haters&#8221; and accuse them of &#8220;spitting on the troops&#8221; and other such moronic nonsense you seem to be about now. Enjoy being on the other &#8220;team&#8221;.
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		<title>by: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3489</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:47:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3489</guid>
					<description>Yes, investigations are started because someone thinks a crime has been committed.  The investigation is there to determine if that is the truth, and if so, who committed it.  It does not necessarily mean a crime was committed.  Ever hear of innocent until proven guilty?  File this under points you will never comprehend, if there's any room left.  

You posted a bunch of links from leftists who hate Rush, nothing new there.  I don't remember Bret or Matt taking part in that.  You should really let them speak for themselves.&lt;blockquote&gt;You must not understand what the “federal” part of that really means. -Adam
&lt;/blockquote&gt;Lol, yea, it's so complicated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, investigations are started because someone thinks a crime has been committed.  The investigation is there to determine if that is the truth, and if so, who committed it.  It does not necessarily mean a crime was committed.  Ever hear of innocent until proven guilty?  File this under points you will never comprehend, if there&#8217;s any room left.  </p>
<p>You posted a bunch of links from leftists who hate Rush, nothing new there.  I don&#8217;t remember Bret or Matt taking part in that.  You should really let them speak for themselves.<br />
<blockquote>You must not understand what the “federal” part of that really means. -Adam
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<p>Lol, yea, it&#8217;s so complicated.
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		<title>by: Adam, King of the Liberal Horde,</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3486</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"Sources describe the paragraph as clearly marked with an unambiguous “S” — for “Secret.” That means knowingly leaking the information is a crime."- One of my links

Do you think "secret" is diffrent from "undercover"?  Do you think it matters even if it is since leaking the info has been established as a crime?  
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Matt, Bret and I all were involved in providing evidence of Rush lying (I think only Bret and I posted) and you claimed "some" of the sources were wrong leaving the others as "right".  We all think it is sad and strange that you worship him so.  Do a little digging and you will see he has been proven as a liar over and over and over and over and over again...
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Of all things you know nothing about, "law" would be a front runner even if you don't realize that.  Federal Investigations are not done just to find out if there was a crime committed.  They are launched when it looks like a crime WAS commited...and when that possible crime is a big one.  You must not understand what the "federal" part of that really means.  
Maybe you should run that by one of your lawyer friends, lawyer friends you work with every day, or perhaps a friend that is currently in a top tier law school...or maybe you will study it when you yourself are at law school :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sources describe the paragraph as clearly marked with an unambiguous “S” — for “Secret.” That means knowingly leaking the information is a crime.&#8221;- One of my links</p>
<p>Do you think &#8220;secret&#8221; is diffrent from &#8220;undercover&#8221;?  Do you think it matters even if it is since leaking the info has been established as a crime?<br />
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Matt, Bret and I all were involved in providing evidence of Rush lying (I think only Bret and I posted) and you claimed &#8220;some&#8221; of the sources were wrong leaving the others as &#8220;right&#8221;.  We all think it is sad and strange that you worship him so.  Do a little digging and you will see he has been proven as a liar over and over and over and over and over again&#8230;<br />
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Of all things you know nothing about, &#8220;law&#8221; would be a front runner even if you don&#8217;t realize that.  Federal Investigations are not done just to find out if there was a crime committed.  They are launched when it looks like a crime WAS commited&#8230;and when that possible crime is a big one.  You must not understand what the &#8220;federal&#8221; part of that really means.<br />
Maybe you should run that by one of your lawyer friends, lawyer friends you work with every day, or perhaps a friend that is currently in a top tier law school&#8230;or maybe you will study it when you yourself are at law school <img src='http://www.killrighty.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3482</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3482</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Was the memo the original source for the leak of Valerie Wilson's identity to reporters? And if so, who did it? And did that person know Wilson's wife was an undercover agent? The memo did not identify her as one. - CBS News&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Again, do you actually read these?  I said they proved nothing about her undercover status, and that stands.  
&lt;blockquote&gt;We also already proved to you Rush lies. -Adam&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What's this "we" business?
And yes, I do believe Rush to be right most of the time.  You've never proven him to be a liar.  You say Rush only spins, that's just your defense mechanism for coping with the truth.
&lt;blockquote&gt;I know the republican talking points and I also know federal investigations are not created for non-crimes. -Adam&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I know I already did this one, but I just really like it.  Adam, I'm sure you have some high-profile lawyer friends, why don't you run that one by them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Was the memo the original source for the leak of Valerie Wilson&#8217;s identity to reporters? And if so, who did it? And did that person know Wilson&#8217;s wife was an undercover agent? The memo did not identify her as one. - CBS News</p></blockquote>
<p>Again, do you actually read these?  I said they proved nothing about her undercover status, and that stands.  </p>
<blockquote><p>We also already proved to you Rush lies. -Adam</p></blockquote>
<p>What&#8217;s this &#8220;we&#8221; business?<br />
And yes, I do believe Rush to be right most of the time.  You&#8217;ve never proven him to be a liar.  You say Rush only spins, that&#8217;s just your defense mechanism for coping with the truth.</p>
<blockquote><p>I know the republican talking points and I also know federal investigations are not created for non-crimes. -Adam</p></blockquote>
<p>I know I already did this one, but I just really like it.  Adam, I&#8217;m sure you have some high-profile lawyer friends, why don&#8217;t you run that one by them.
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		<title>by: Adam, King of the Liberal Horde,</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3481</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3481</guid>
					<description>You are really not understanding a lot of this.  Bicking over simantics to try and justify a crime of retaliation...an act committed once before by the same person wont fly.  There would never have been a federal investigation 2 years in the running otherwise.  

What you describe about Plame is exactly what her cover was.  SHE WAS STILL A CLASSIFIED SECRET AGENT.  The CIA says she was so who the hell are you to claim they are wrong?  Also, did you ever consider that all the info about a secret agents identy may not have been revealed to the public?  

No matter what crap info you are told from Rush and Hannity, the only thing that matters is what the CIA says and what the documents that disclosed her identity say.  They both say she a classified agent and that revealing her identity is a crime...very clearly.  
Quible about "covert" to your hearts content.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are really not understanding a lot of this.  Bicking over simantics to try and justify a crime of retaliation&#8230;an act committed once before by the same person wont fly.  There would never have been a federal investigation 2 years in the running otherwise.  </p>
<p>What you describe about Plame is exactly what her cover was.  SHE WAS STILL A CLASSIFIED SECRET AGENT.  The CIA says she was so who the hell are you to claim they are wrong?  Also, did you ever consider that all the info about a secret agents identy may not have been revealed to the public?  </p>
<p>No matter what crap info you are told from Rush and Hannity, the only thing that matters is what the CIA says and what the documents that disclosed her identity say.  They both say she a classified agent and that revealing her identity is a crime&#8230;very clearly.<br />
Quible about &#8220;covert&#8221; to your hearts content.
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		<title>by: No Oil for Pacifists</title>
		<link>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3471</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jul 2005 06:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.killrighty.net/2005/07/21/rove/#comment-3471</guid>
					<description>&lt;strong&gt;MoveOn, Rove-Haters&lt;/strong&gt;

While the rabidly partisan and the left-wing media foment, the truth is MIA:  Valerie was not a covert agent" for at least the previous six years; thus outside the five year window in the relevant statute. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>MoveOn, Rove-Haters</strong></p>
<p>While the rabidly partisan and the left-wing media foment, the truth is MIA:  Valerie was not a covert agent&#8221; for at least the previous six years; thus outside the five year window in the relevant statute.
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